Gun Digest editors know guns so you know guns. Will Winchester ever build the Model 12 again? Blue Book on this fine collector 12 gauge is around $2,700! during that time I handled many M-12's of varying configurations. . As you know that, Winchester Model 12 (factory original) 28-gauge pump action shotgun. It still is. No other pump shotgun feels like the duck gun. generous return policy, and handle everything you dont have to go back to
Stock is very fine, with light scratching, pressure dents and an attractive grain pattern. Popularly named the Perfect Repeater at its introduction, it largely set the standard for pump action shotguns over its 51-year high-rate production life. Model 12 Skeet Pump Shotgun. Winchester Model 12 Skeet Gun 12 gauge with 25" Solid Rib Barrel - 12 GA: 0 1d 7h 25m 17240921. THE SHOTGUN HAS A 30' PLAIN BARREL AND IS FULL CHOKE. Jack OConnor was there and sets the scene nicely in the Complete Book of Shooting. Item. I was glad to see this as I know for a fact that while many weren't done, they did indeed do some. the store. Since Every shotgun manufacturer is a friend of mine, Askins views were well known in the industry. Bore and action are excellent. Must ship to an FFL. Charles Askins, in an article entitled Long Range Shotguns in the January 1930 issue of the American Rifleman, concludes that a 12-gauge magnum with 1 3/8-ounces of shot, patterning 80% or better is pretty reliable [on ducks] at 65 yards. However, Askins goes on to say I have never, personally, had a shotgun which would reach far enough. Before the eight gauge was banned in 1918, Askins had a Greener eight-gauge double with 36-inch barrels weighing 13 pounds. Although the quality of the rib will be the same as the original Winchester, the only way a Simmons rib looks OK on a Model 12 is if they DON'T put their silly name down the side of the rib. Only rib extensions of the same width as the factory ventilate drib are found on receivers of duck guns. The Model 21 received duck gun status in 1940, although 3-inch chambers could be ordered earlier. WE DO NOT SHIP INTERNATIONALLY
$40 Shipping. It is not as slow or pokey as one might expect. The staff shot skeet with the gun and concluded It is not as fast as the standard Model-12, but nearly so., In further shooting tests the staff found We could not discern any practical difference in recoil effect when shooting standard three inch heavy duck loads. Winchester supplied two boxes of 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8-ounces of #5 chilled shot pushed by four drams equivalent of powder. The gun looked to be in excellent condition except some nitwit had inlayed a white plastic diamond in the stock at some point. Enthusiastic hunters bought the new repeater. Alarm calls! Add to Cart Winchester 12 12 Gauge (W9744) $995.00 Winchester 12 12 Gauge shotgun. The Duck Stamp Law of 1934 was enacted to provide funds for waterfowl propagation. would buy from again without hesitation, Smith & Wesson S&W Vintage Screwdriver 8 Row Knurled Handle used (#234907824646), Remington 700 stamped metal Magazine Follower .222 .223 .17 used nice (#334728927905). However, killing ducks at long range remained the objective of many duck hunters. Winchester Model 1300 Speed Pump - 12 GA $395.00: 0 $395.00 1d 15h 33m 17222600. The Simmons rib is done at Winchesters direction as it has the WP proof offset from the rib. Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Vent RibManufactured in 1952. Westerns innovation was progressive-burning powder that deformed fewer shot during acceleration. Winchester ~ Model 12 Custom~ 12 GA Used Guns. organized, dont tell you a lot about what youre buying, and leave you on your
26" Vent Rib Barrels Choked SKEET. the barrel and chamber are bright and clean. The buttstock was reshaped on Model 12 shotguns again in the mid-1950s. Remington re-tooled from the M31 to the stamp, push and press 870 which sold for less than the M12. Sales of 100,000 were recorded in the first two years of production. Advanced . JavaScript is disabled. Length of pull was reduced in January 1936 to reflect the extra clothing worn by duck hunters. Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. My 1951 Winchester Ammunition Handbook gives a comparison of 17 to 11 feet at 60 yards. , Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. Rangemasters are here to answer all your questions about our products or process. very accurate description and fast delivery, HOCH Reloading Single Cavity Mold c56 309170 .309 170gr nose pour NICE (#334593408927), Arrived quickly, well packaged, item is as described. It was John Olin who inspired Westerns revolutionary Super-Xshotshell in 1921. Condition: excellent bright bore, 98% blue overall thinn, Winchester Model 12. My gun is a pump action Model 12 shotgun with a grooved slide handle (forearm). Introduced in 20 gauge in 1912, 16 and 12 gauge guns followed in 1914. I fired 10 patterns for each of the five test loads in each of the two duck guns, for a total of 100 patterns. Askins concludes How far are we going to be able to kill ducks? Winchester Pre War Mod 12 Trap 2 Barrel Set 12ga, Winchester Pre 64 Mod 12 DU Illinios No.1 Engraved by M Dubber, WINCHESTER
MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK 12GA 3 INCH MAGNUM, Winchester Model 12 16 Gauge rare 2-barrel set, Used Browning BT99 Plus 12 gauge 28" bbl fixed choke mod good condition no box no manuals, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 16GA PUMP ACTION SHOTGUN, Winchester Mod 12 Vent Rib B-Carved Wood 12ga, "Winchester Model 12 Shotgun 12 Gauge (W12258), Winchester, Ducks Unlimited, Model 12, 12 Ga, Shotgun, Winchester Model 21 Heavy Duck, 12ga, 30" 3" mag, Briley Chokes, Winchester Model 12 12 ga. Deluxe Skeet grade w/ factory Cutts, Winchester Model 1912 Nickel Steel 20 gauge 24" VR bbl EARLY Serial #. Franklin W. Olin founded Western Cartridge Company in 1898. SERIAL NUMBER 39346 NO ALTERATIONS OF WOOD OR METAL. These are rare, a line can be seen along the dounut post on both sides. $550 USD. The duck gun version of the Model 12, introduced in 1935, was a natural consequence of duck hunters in charge of Winchester. Keith stated in 1967: The old 70% standard is now obsolete and most any full choke gun will go 75% or better. Ernie special order model 12's from Winchester to add his Dounut Vent Rib. It is possible for the slide lock to fail to unlock the action during recoil. Thomas C. Johnson came to Winchester in 1885 and remained a dedicated employee until his death in 1934. 14" LOP OVER THE ORIGINAL W, Up for sale I have a 100% NIB Winchester model 12 chambered in 16ga. Winchester installed Simmons ribs and Simmons-designed ventilated ribs for several years. Remington's Nylon 66 semi-automatic .22 LR rifles have grown from 1950s bargain buys to 21st century collectors darlings. Stay in the know. There is some difference in what they say but are good reference. The shotgun featured here was made in 1976 and is in stellar condition. Just to add th the issue, here's a note that I copied from Trapshooters.com some time age. 1935 3" magnum offerd, will convert all 12 gages if wanted to 3" magnums, the begining of the long forcing cone. When it was. Included with the gun is its orig, Winchester Model 12, 28 Gauge in very good to near fine original condition. Madis comments Fancy walnut was considered too fancy for the rough treatment often given a duck gun. Fancy walnut could be ordered and the few pidgeon-grade duck guns had fancy walnut. The nearest thing to a Model Twelve that could appear, whether domestic or foreign, would be a shotgun with the same model designation, but it would not and could not be a Model Twelve. Browning, in fact, did import foreign-made copies of the Model 12 after Madis wrote the above. Edwin Pugsley, in charge of Winchester at the time of receivership, is quoted in Williamsons book: The purchase of the company by the Olin interests brought a breath of life to the institution and brought to Winchester many things. Winchester Model 12 Takedown Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Ventilated RibProduced in 1961. Buckingham is jump-shooting with his big double gun. This shotg, FOR SALE IS A VERY NICE VINTAGE WINCHESTER MODEL 12, 12GA GA SHOTGUN. S/N 1,589,*** made in 1954. The era of plentiful ducks and liberal bag limits was also ending. I hope this helps you out A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. Ernie Simmons had a close relationship with Winchester & John Olin; if you find any NSSA ,ATA, Field & Stream and Sports Afield magazines pre-war and post war you'll find he sold plenty of Winchesters out of his gun shop and attended many shoots selling target guns. I have often wondered how well my guns would pattern with modern ammunition. I believe the solid ribs were soft (lead) soldered like the model 21's. I recently acquired a 1921 gun. Stadt's book is a very good book that alot of people don't seem to know about. This test determines if excessive peening of the bolt locking cut in the receiver has occurred. Winchester Model 12 12 ga 30 in Barrel 2 3/4" Full vent rib Barrel NICE! The 1 5/8-ounce load of the mid-30s bought the 12 magnum a few more yards of range. The gun weighed 8 1/2 pounds with its 32-inch Full choke barrel. Winchester Model 12 16 ga NIB Never Assembled! Sto, Used
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Wood Stock, No Box. Its failure to release on discharge made it impossible to shoot doubles [at skeet] with this particular sample. The staff concluded, Mechanically, the sample was not as good as other guns of the same model. Noted were machine marks on the breech bolt, wood not closely fitted, primers struck off center and sharp edges at the chamber. community. Factroy finish on metal, custom wood. Factory original Model 12s with round post ribs were made by Winchester, not Simmons. It won't be a collector but a shooter and should draw some attention. The survival of both Western and Winchester now depended on Olin management. Buckingham had a solid 60-yard duck gun and was on his way to becoming a legend. WARNING! The perimeter of the disc was then marked and the enclosed pellet holes counted. Askins Ithaca 10-gauge double with 2 7/8-inch chambers averaged 86.9% with 1 5/8-ounces of shot. All Rights Reserved, Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck Gun 30" Simmons Vent Rib 1953 Pre 64 Rare 12 Ga. Magnum 3" Edition Proof Marking. We limited our shooting to 25 yards or less and seldom missed. It looks like it is in very good shape. Model 12 duck guns are highly specialized tools for a very limited number of duck hunters who can regularly center a duck at 40-60 yards, and need to. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. I put one of those BIG soft foam risers on the comb and shot it that way for years. Winchester suggests their 3-inch 12-gauge shotshells with 1 3/8-ounces or 1 5/8-ounces of #4 shot for wildfowl hunting in their 1951 Ammunition Handbook: These shells were developed especially for extremes in long range shooting with 12-gauge Winchester Model 12 and Model 21 Heavy Duck Guns.. The price in 1963 was $122 compared to $109.50 for the standard Model 12. Classic Browning Light Twelve Auto-5 Review: Busting Clays With the Old Humpback Shotgun. Get Guns.com offers and news!! Curious, I fired five additional patterns at 60 yards with Model 12 number 1418XXX and the Winchester load of 1 5/8-ounces of #4 shot. Winchester dutifully shipped its duck guns with a wooden plug installed to limit magazine capacity to two shells. The Olins bought Winchester for $8.1 million through a combination of $3.3 million cash and the balance in an issue of preferred stock. The old trap shooters didn't and they did just fine. Winchester needed to cut it's manufacturing costs and the milled vented rib was a costly proceedure. Free shipping for many products! No Reserve . 12 Gauge, This is a very nice Winchester Model 12 Trap pump action shotgun in 12 gauge. The Model 12 was the first magazine repeater chambered for 3-inch magnum shells. Teal, mallard, widgeon and sprig [pintail] hover singly and in bunches overhead. During that time they largely made the right business decisions, hired the right people, and enjoyed a fair share of luck. The finishes and rib are 100% Winchester and in great condi, Used Winchester Model 12
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Located in New, Winchester Model 12 pump action 12ga shotgun. Lot 6593: Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun . Stock has a Monte Carlo cheekpiece and European pistol grip with a right hand palm swell. A study of Michael McIntoshs book Best Guns indicates that a few thousand of the specialized waterfowl doubles of all brands were sold between 1921 and 1941. Interchangeable barrels (forend assembly) for 2 3/4-inch shells and choke of choice were special order. Nickel and ivory sight beads on the aftermarket Simmons rib, with choke marked full and 2 3/4 inch chamber. The new value of a WINCHESTER MODEL 12 shotgun has fallen ($937.31) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $484.80 . I am tempted to stop off awhile and call. Patterns were fired from a benchrest, using American Target Company B21 silhouette targets measuring 35 by 45 inches. Great communications. Both shotguns shot to point of aim and all patterns were contained on the target paper due to precise aiming, facilitated by placing a 25-pound sack of lead shot between me and the gun butt. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Winchester Model 12 12 ga 26" oal aftermarket poly choke and vent rib at the best online prices at eBay! The earliest Simmons catalog I ever found was 1949 when Ernie began advertising his "Special vent rib" which was the "Dounut Post". Used Winchester Model 12 20 Gauge 26" barrel WS-1 choked skeet
Cutts compensator with restriction inserts good condition reduced, Winchester Model 12 Pigeon Grade 12 Gauge. A new chamber ring and a # 1 heavy draw adjusting sleeve. I still have a few 2nd style action slides left. BARREL 30" CHOKE FULL 90% FACTORY BLUE ORIGINAL FACTORY HEAVY DUCK RECOIL PAD WOOD VERY GOOD. There are Simmons marketed guns with proper Winchester proof marks. Not sure how many of you know this, but the rib has a serial number stamped on the underside of them with the same number stamped on the underside of the barrel. Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. Winchester Model 12 Pigeon 28 Gauge Single Family Owned Since 1967, Vent. A Cold War era classic with smooth lines, a legendary back story, and an exotic-sounding name, Beretta's Model 71 was definitely a mouse that roared. The standard 12-gauge duck load in 1921 was a 2 3/4-inch shell holding 3 3/4-drams equivalent powder and 1 1/4-ounces of shot. Clear (Winchester Wikipedia Page) 22 Item(s) Found Page 1 1. Buckingham recorded his adventures in some of the best hunting stories ever written. Charles Askins was the leading expert on shotguns in the first half of the last century. The Pitt-man-Robertson Act of 1937 began an 11 percent excise tax on sporting arms and ammunition. Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without
When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Thanks for the reference. Bids. Must be shipped to an FFL, New price, Listed is a like new Winchester DU, Model-12, 12 Ga Pump Shotgun. The straighter stock reduced perceived recoil. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. Mechanically excellent. The Model 12 shotgun, initially the Model 1912, hit the market in August 1912. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Winchester sent some M-12s to Simmons to have ribs installed, Simmons returned them to Win. Numbers match on barrel and receiver. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 13 1/8" LOP. One of my favorite subjectsI've read and reread the books by Madis, Riffle, and Stadt, and I still find it a little confusing. Olin included his new Super-X magnum 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8 ounces of shot. It also got a new action slide. Since you in Kansas; ever deal with now deceased Felix Bedlan @ Fairbury, Neb. The Olins used the Western ammunition plant at East Alton, Illinois, as collateral for borrowing about four million in cash, no small feat in the fall of 1931. This likely was the last mention of solid ribs in Winchester literature. The duck gun was discontinued in 1963. By signing up you agree to Guns.com's Johnson, at once one of the great gun designers and one of the least known, produced a steady flow of new firearm designs for Winchester.